Thank you all for your insightful comments. You guys really are the best. It looks like we are in agreement that ENM-DEM for Experience Points will be our primary objective each week. Whatever else we do after that will be "iceing on the cake". I would be happy to help Hilkiah (or anyone else) with his promys, AFTER we have accomplished our primary objective. I also think we will usually have time to get in a second ENM for extra EXP (if we all get started on time, lol). The second ENM can be determined according to what censors we all have, as well as consideration of what Promy Boss someone might need.

Regarding members switching jobs, I had hoped that this would be a rare enough occurance that it could be handled on a case by case basis. I really don't think we need to map out every conceivable combination of jobs in advance. Although do I appreciate Tamara's outlining how such a scheme might work.

Once again, thanks for making this such an awesome party!

Thersites

All I really ask is to know b4 I get to Jeuno as Jeuno price r more expensive for me to buy supplies. I really enjoy helping ppl all the time, But whn we go Static should be discussed b4 Tuesday as most of us r on quite regularly. Just a whisper will do... As we send messages to each other quite regular.

As a static grp we learn to fight more as a team for future events and whn a certain problem happens will know wht will happen b/c as a team will fight and react. Learning each others style will make us stronger as a team. A team has a Leader so we follow his/her lead and whn we win its b/c a leader was once a good follower.

I believe in making sure the team stays together and not lossing time finding lost people... Been on many runs where ppl get lost and it really costs alot of time... Personal I make a macro saying "Sneak Wearing..." /call14/. Other things I do whn leading is stop at safe area's making sure everyone is with the grp...

Other thing would be on time... Its not a surprise at the time we start... Am usually setup for ENM ahead of time such clothes, items, and food... b4 I go to bed Monday night or up early b4 work getting rdy for the ENM... Rotating stuff at 5:30pm Tuesday not a very good Ideal...

Last thing would be we all have feelings... Watching wht 1 would say in whisper or chat should be thought of 1st... There is helping and then there hurting... To be a good team we have to be open with each other... Learning to help each other is a big thing in this game... Nothing in my comments is pointed at or pointed to 1 person b/c at times we fall under them all... This Clan rocks --- Ava
Summoner lvl75- Avatar Power

I admit I didn't know all the guidelines for this event when I went, but I do appreciate that you guys brought me along. Obviously, I have WHM past 30 and can be available as a replacement. Currently, I've been working on getting WAR to 30 (26 now) for Promyvion ENMs, et cetera. Of course, you have to admit the advantage of WAR30/NIN15 over WAR30/MNK15, so my next goal after WAR30 could be to get NIN from 10 to 15.

In short, I may be able to help out with the tank issue pretty soon if Maior wants to focus on another job for ENMs. I don't want to step on your toes, I just want you to know that I'm available and willing to help.

Hilkiah - Galka - White Mage

Well I think sounds like a plan not so much a um dictatorship but maybe like a set organization of civilized minds as to forego confusion. However I am usually the cause for a late start (has happened twice now) I enjoy running two spire ascents a night. I know these conflict with sleep schedules and are sometimes deemed untimely. So the afore mentioned details work more than adequatly for me and see no reason as to why someone could find basis of a quarrel.

Also to touch on Sam's point i have also thought greatly about my lowered skill cap as a result of practically free experience. My original plan was to just go out and get a few skill up parties to make up for things a bit but since there maybe multiple ppl feeling the same pinch maybe we could setup something once a month to take care of this. Of course not all static members will attend or there are certainly no obligations to anything in the game people are free to do what they will. Also I for one am planning on taking rng higher sometime in the not too distant future which is why I prefer to go as it. Gives me a lil forward progress while i am preoccupied with mnk end game stuff. I however am not against maybe a rotation of jobs that we could work out through a lil more discussion. I can go as war/nin or rng/nin and I will very soon be able to go as whm/blm or whm/smn. I dunno a lil food fer thought.

One more thing have been asked several times wether i will be attending monday runs and for the record the answer will usually be no. It is not that i am against running bosses or helping other ls members beat promy, as you all know i try to be there for everyone I can be. Things have gotten to be very busy for me recently in game and I can't afford another night to event stuff. Sounds very selfish of me and I assure you it is in a sense but it is not intended to offend or disregaurd anyone for anyreason at all.

The ENM static is alot of fun fer me i enjoy the time spent with friends on a similar motive driven world domination plan lol. We make a spire ascent look like a walk through a petting zoo. Countless people struggle with these areas/events/missions. Let us not forget our roots and let us not grow calous of our achievments. We are here as a team because each individule knows that the other will have their back and we will have theirs. Things dont work solo in this game it is a 'game' yes but it is more than that. It is the 'home' of friends and allies.

j.

I have a message out on FFXI asking me to Respond to this topic, which I suppose I should do though I was thinking I had little to add =^_^=

My personal philosophy is "too many chefs spoil the broth", which is to say that on relatively simple things (which ENM has turned into, once we began to understand it) if you get five or six players together you may well end up with five or six opinions. So I tend to go with what the ORGANIZER establishes for the ground rules.

So Maior organizes/hosts/leads the Clan Garrisons, his rules work for me (even though I think he prefers to call them Clan Garrison Rules).

Thersites organizes/hosts/leads Tuesday ENM, his rules work for me.

I organize/host/lead Even-Numbered Monday ENM, my rules work for me! LoL!

Maior pointed out our Tuesday night Mea-fight Benediction-scheme did not function properly because I was in such a tiny party (just me and Dragonlance). That was because I organized specifically with Dragonlance waiting for word (in Jeuno) whether Dragonlance and I were in for a Promyvion-Mea run. I was well prepared to be told "no, we are going with six folks for Holla"; that would have worked for me. Instead I thought I heard, "looks like we are doing Promyvion-Mea, LoL" which I took as meaning a decision had been reached and it was time to go. I was also being asked to provide input on a Crag vote; I voted but that does not mean I felt like I should be voting.

My Tuesday replacement was already there in Jeuno, maybe ten minutes late, but Hilkiah was there; I was quite content to go with that, lots and lots to do in this game (soloing SMN this week), so I did not need to do a Tuesday ENM.

So I don't have much input on the rules Thersites posted. It's a game to me and Thersites has organized a fun Tuesday night event. I try to show up for it, just like I do for Garrison. On Tuesday I brought Dragonlance along because I figure Mea *is* feasible with eight players, and Mea *is not* feasible with less than eight.

So Thersites saying, 'six folks for Holla' - would have made for a good decision; in my opinion.

Thersites establishing some ground rules for Tuesday - I always buy into rules/guidelines for the organizer's own event.

Maior missed my Monday ENM because of storms in his area; next time it could well be me missing on a Tuesday night (the South has some impressive storms too)! So rather than voting round-robin as this or that little twist raises its head (at the poverbial 'last moment') I prefer the Organizer to make the call.

And as I stated previously - Organizer establishing rules up front (like here) works just fine.

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Even-Mondays ENM's hosted by Tamara - I host Even-Mondays Promyvion ENM's.

Even-Mondays' Primary Objective is to help members out who still need a Crag Boss.

However, a lack of Anima on hand will either:
a) elevate the Secondary Objective: ENM Run-for-fun.
or
b) create a delay while Anima is Farmed

And so it was this past Monday...

I was in charge, I used my judgement for the known facts:

o insufficient Anima existed IN THE ORGANIZER's OPINION (me) to beat a Spire Boss

-and-

o enough Anima was present, 50% of players had some Anima, so it seemed unfair to head off to Farm

And so the run was turned into an ENM Run-for-Fun and no Crag Boss was fought.

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All of the above is another way of saying that it does in fact appear Benevolent Dictatorships work quite well for hosted FFXI Events!

Maybe we will see such a dictatorship from Maior for the upcoming Minotaur fights and we will all eventually end up with Minotaur rugs to give to our Moggles as Christmas presents! =^_^=

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Your rules/guidelines are just fine, Thersites!

=^_^=

Something else I think I should mention is that, unless the job you are going into this with is your main, there isn't as much motivation to do them.

For example, I started doing these to get my subjob for MNK (WAR) to 37 (since it was so close to 37 anyway). Now, my WAR is 38, and the job that really needs EXP is my MNK.

The problem is, we have no tank if I switch to MNK. So I'm kind of stuck as WAR for the time being.

This is a problem because, eventually I do actually want to try and take WAR higher. There's some truly awesome gear and abilities WAR gets past 60, and I'd love to be a part of that.

So this is the problem, my WAR's abilities are currently at around a 34 cap. If I get my WAR too much higher without skilling him up, I will be a pretty crappy WAR when I later on want to party with it. In other words, once I hit 40-45, I really shouldn't take my WAR any higher without capping his skills (okay, I realize I could do this if our static eventually moved on to the ENMs in Promy-Vahzl... but who knows if that will happen :-)

Long story short, while this wouldn't be a problem for... say... Rooster (who goes into this ENM as his main).. it is a problem for me :-)

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